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what's up everybody

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i think there's something going on today

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i think maybe we have a show or

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something that's supposed to happen

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almost forgot so but you know

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i didn't so that's good

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you may have heard of it but we we had a

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movie come out um

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and it's pretty cool

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it's called uh tear in the sky it's

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featuring uapx and we're lucky enough to

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have two of the

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best members of that

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film right here with us today and

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they share the same first name which is

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just amazing they're both david so

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it's going to be incredibly confusing

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but we're going to give it our best shot

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so

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i'm going to say david and the wrong

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guy's going to answer but we'll have to

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deal with that you know as long as they

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both

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give it their best shot so

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thank you everybody for uh joining today

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i do appreciate it uh if you haven't

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caught the movie it is actually pretty

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good um they're

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you know they're mixing

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science with facts science fiction with

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fact you know it was interesting the the

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term um the host and said to william

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shannon you know how they're trying to

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mix the two and i think actually to me

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they did a really good job because the

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proof is in the in the pudding and some

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really great facts and science came out

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of it in the end and hopefully we'll get

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at that so uh without further ado i'm

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gonna bring in the two guests and we

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will get at this so david david hello

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how are you

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doing dave squared

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dave squared i'll call one

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one mason the other altman how about

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that yeah i actually put a lot of a lot

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of i put a lot of original thought into

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this issue and i figured i can be david

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and he can be dave that's how creative i

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am

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dave and david i i thought you were more

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of a davey

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altman no i don't even

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wait wait are you talking to me or him

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whoever is yeah just yeah when i was

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like four it was it was davey crockett

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you know four five timmy crooked so uh

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thank you so much for being here and

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grading me this opportunity i really do

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appreciate it so uh i really mean it

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when i when i said i enjoyed the film i

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really did uh and i hope other people do

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as well so let me let me just i guess

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get started with the basics

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um how did the the film come to fruition

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um what were the events that led up to

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it and yeah explain that a little bit

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whoever wants to take that

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i guess that's gonna go to me

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okay

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uh um so

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you know i i was with

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upx i just want to make it clear now

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that i'm not with the group anymore you

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know we're still cool and everything but

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other things came up so

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kind of doing my own thing um but uh

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so i started when i started with them um

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i was a vice president and i also

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handled all their media

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um i work as a consultant for like

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pretty much almost every

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ufo show that you can imagine you know

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the history channel a lot of prometheus

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from what i remember is that i'm friends

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with ben hansen

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and ben is friends with caroline

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so caroline had spoken to ben she was

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like hey you know what do you think i

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should do for my topic for my next movie

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and he said you got to talk to dave

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and that's how the ball got rolling okay

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referred to in the film um

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as the brains behind the inventions if

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what were some of the inventions that

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that were used um you know especially

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the ones that wound up uh working out

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the goal that you had set out for the

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film

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uh several inventions uh some of them

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weren't shown in the movie we didn't get

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a chance to to do the demonstrations uh

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one of them i have a pair it's a a pair

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of binoculars that i designed and built

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a built-in photodiode and amplifier but

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it's my own discreet circuitry a low

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noise jfet circuit there's also a i'll

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bring up the front panel so you can kind

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you know how it appears and it has

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volume gain controls on it so it's of my

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own proprietary design and has the

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sensitivity to listen to starlight so

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the scintillation of starlight and the

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design of this is to

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allow us to listen to objects in the sky

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that are radiating light so we can hear

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aircraft i mean you can hear the light

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reflecting off wings we can hear the

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strobes uh distant aircraft it's it's

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great for identifying the many prosaic

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unknown is what these binoculars will do

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a built-in

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defocus laser i don't know if this is

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going to show or not here i guess it

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does the laser the laser spreads and the

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reason for spreading it there's two

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reasons you want to hit a wider target

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a directional laser into the sky at a

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aircraft because you could blind a pilot

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one's going to see it from afar but i

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figure anything of higher intelligence

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recognize it and that laser is modulated

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by what is detected so if we have an

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object in the sky that's transmitting

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some kind of information

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probably not going to understand it it's

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here we are okay

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there's a little time delay in the

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circuitry so you'll get a response back

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and who knows you know if they'll take

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that as an insult or at least

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actually allow you to do and and who

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knows what the response might be you

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know it could be very favorable but at

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least we're trying

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speaking in the same language at the

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very least right

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invention was brought

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to the uh expedition uh you can see

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transmitter and then you'll see that

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binoculars and run its audio to that

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modulator which can then go to that

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transmitter i can go to

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i can assign it to all of them or just

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one particular spectrum but it

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broadcasts in ultraviolet it uh infrared

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and and also just visible spectrum so in

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essence what we're doing is spreading

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wavelengths at like like a radio station

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broadcasting three different frequencies

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and you put different data on that you

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know different data sets that you want

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fm and am modulation in frequencies that

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than what we do in conventional

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communications and and in this case uh

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in the ultraviolet spectrum we're

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hitting frequencies of 800 terahertz

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going to be communicating with a a

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higher order of intelligence

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it's going to be looking at okay what

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are these humans oh they're playing with

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radio that's smoke signals to us they

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they're still in the stone age they need

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to learn

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responding to maybe lightweight

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uh i would think that it may implore a

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response from them and who knows what

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ufo documents and the thing that

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intrigued me was many of the reports

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that indicated these ufos were

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broadcasting

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modulated light or they were pulsing hey

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reasoning if you say well they don't

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need light to see where they're going

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need it um it's not likely to be a

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unl highly unlikely so the the remainder

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is communication it's that it's

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apparently information is within that

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and it's our job to try to figure out

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what that may be and and do what we can

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okay what should we be sending them

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right yeah and then agreeing on it not

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agree yeah and i you know here's where i

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i've had some heated debates with people

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but i'm going to state my case here i

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think if you use a spoken language

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it's wrong because you know certainly

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english doesn't represent the world so

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it's really arrogant to say oh i'm going

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to speak english

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i don't think it's going to be any

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computer code i don't think they'd be

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impressed by us saying that we

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understand numbers and every every

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computer code

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is finite because it gets dated by

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something else you know so it really

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it that doesn't seem to make sense so i

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don't think they'd be impressed with

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numbers

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and so there i kind of brought it down

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to two um

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two things that i think are best for

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music is one of them and and the reason

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music is

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because it's it's not finite there's no

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integration i mean you can apply math to

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it but it's a linear curve so in essence

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it's it's more like of an infinite

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infinite in amplitude so you really

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can't quantitate it and and and break it

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it finite i mean you can break it down

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but it's not finite it's like the number

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pi you know it just keeps going forever

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and

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so i think that aspect of it but one

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other thing i want to bring up and this

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was uh suggested to me by both kevin day

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and michael w hall

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when i was asking the group i said

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i want to broadcast and i'm not really

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sure what i should be broadcasting and

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and the two of them came up about the

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migratory whales

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and um

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and then michael hall said well

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broadcast that so i

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um

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i took some recordings and i then i

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consulted with a a person who was an

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expert that knew about

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can't mention their name because of

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their privacy concerns

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but i i said i needed recordings that

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are uh

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i don't want to have recordings of

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whales and dolphins that are in some

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storage tank and they're they're

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depressed you know like it's not a good

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sign yep get me out of here yeah i don't

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want to broadcast that in space so i you

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know i said i need some sample

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recordings of of something and i have

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those recordings

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so um and the reason why i'm going to

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bring up why you would use

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the sounds of whales and dolphins

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if you're broadcasting that out into

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space you're sending the message that

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there's a different species other than

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our own that we hold in higher regard or

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are as high a regard as ourselves

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we're also sending the message

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that we accept species that don't look

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like us

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and uh and that may be one of the fears

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of approaching us you know maybe to us

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they're hideous or scary and and so it

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opens that door

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and we're also sending out information

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that has been in the oceans going on for

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millions of years where our language and

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our conduct has only been you know only

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a few thousand years and it's

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it's one of those things that i think

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would would really open the doors and

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opportunities and and i think that the

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biggest thing we need to do is establish

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some sort of contact and even though

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it's probably not going to be the um the

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hollywood you know a saucer lands and

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something comes out and greets us and

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says take us to your leader i i think

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whatever we get in response it it's not

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going to be in that form

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yeah no i think that's a great point and

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i love uh the fact that you're sending

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music i think um you know music is is

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the emotion of the soul right so if

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you're sending that out it kind of

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speaks on a

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higher plane than just you know brains

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and thinking and straight analytical it

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also brings in a piece of us that i

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think is uh often overlooked but very

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important which is the emotion of the

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person sure yeah and i think the

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emotions need to be on the positive i

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mean

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there's certain bands i love to listen

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to like van halen and rush and and

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things and you know and i those guys

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they have some really flair

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but yeah

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yeah but i i don't think it's

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appropriate for you know unless you've

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got one of their songs that is is more

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low-key uh you know you don't know what

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bands they like and who they hate you

369
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know yeah you can play the wrong thing

370
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you could have like an

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interstellar mosh pit you could you

372
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could yeah if you put the wrong down

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there they don't like that particular

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musician because of their politics you

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know because they're politics

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we're gonna cancel

377
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trying to take away my space guns

378
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yeah

379
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when it comes to talking about bands it

380
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is surprising

381
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about the the debates that go in that

382
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you know and i you know i play solo

383
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finger style guitar i recorded

384
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a cd um and i thought about going

385
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professional with that but found out how

386
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difficult that is to make a living out

387
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of everything so right i didn't pursue

388
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like ufos is any easier yeah i think

389
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we're all on the same page with that one

390
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yeah

391
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we're all in the music business and all

392
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know yeah i'm still waiting

393
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to make money of it yeah for sure i go

394
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on tour in a month not looking forward

395
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to that

396
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david let me ask you so so you spent uh

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most of your time um it seems like uh

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behind the screen maybe you know doing

399
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the things behind the scenes to make

400
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these movies happen or documentaries so

401
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what made you take the jump to

402
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uh be in front of the screen david all

403
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so oh man here we go

404
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um first i just want to say how lucky am

405
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i

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that's asked

407
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like

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this is the best um

409
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you know anything i can't answer he can

410
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as far as far as

411
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what you just said about me

412
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deciding to

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get involved or my involvement just

414
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being behind um i i mean i've been

415
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researching for myself for forever

416
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when my parents got divorced when i was

417
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like uh

418
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seven or eight years old my mom and i

419
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went to live with my grandmother and she

420
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was a librarian

421
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so every day

422
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every day after school i would go to the

423
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library and she would just put me down

424
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in the you know the science fiction or

425
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uh movie monster section and i would

426
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eventually get to the ufo in the

427
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paranormal books so i've always been

428
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into it you know

429
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um

430
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and believe it or not i did have to do a

431
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lot of research on that area

432
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um for about a year before we even went

433
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out there

434
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um

435
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you know i i was smart and i searched

436
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out the editor of the catalina island

437
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:18,480
newspaper and befriended him

438
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and uh he he i mean there's so much

439
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:24,240
history there that the guy wrote his own

440
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,680
book

441
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called called strange catalin i actually

442
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i have it here

443
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:30,399
so through him

444
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he introduced me to fishermen and

445
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whaling captains

446
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and um that eventually got me to

447
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befriend

448
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um

449
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my one buddy who is he's just he's uh

450
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you know the shark cages for the great

451
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:46,480
whites sure that you go underwater yeah

452
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:49,680
so his company he's actually a director

453
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:51,759
for shark week but his company it's

454
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that's his business is the cage diving

455
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so like

456
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he told i mean dude the stories this guy

457
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,440
told me like slap slap one on us

458
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so um he got a call he got a call from a

459
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,720
fisherman captain and the guy said that

460
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uh they were out running nets and it was

461
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,360
three o'clock in the morning and the

462
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,439
captain was in the wheelhouse and the

463
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:15,360
only person that was kind of semi-awake

464
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was the cook and he was laying in the

465
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galley with his head like on the table

466
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trying to get some rest

467
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he said that all of a sudden

468
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the boat lit up like daylight for like

469
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,120
two seconds it was so bright that the

470
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dude with his head down popped up and

471
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was freaked out and was like ran up it

472
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was like captain what was that and the

473
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captain was like

474
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it was another one

475
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you know wow

476
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um that's amazing tell me yeah the first

477
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though obviously the first thing i said

478
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was is there any footage you know

479
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anything

480
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and unfortunately

481
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the fishing captains have the same

482
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stigma as pilots

483
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and they don't want to talk about it so

484
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i'll talk to you about it one-on-one but

485
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as far as videos going out

486
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you know it's it's really it's really

487
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hard you know

488
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:02,400
um but yeah so

489
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the the uh jim watson the editor of the

490
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paper he actually sent me um all of

491
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these newspaper articles from the 40s

492
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you saw the one yeah the catalina yeah

493
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so there's an article from 1947 it's the

494
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same week as roswell

495
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and it's two two um army pilots because

496
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the air force wasn't that wasn't uh an

497
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entity then so there was two veterans

498
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from the army

499
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world war ii vets 1947 on the beach and

500
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you know walking down in long beach and

501
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they spotted two discs and they got

502
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photos

503
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and if you get that book uh strange

504
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catalina or no mysterious catalina i'm

505
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sorry

506
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uh the pictures are in the book

507
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oh yeah

508
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,160
yeah yeah of the object so you got to

509
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,080
think you know like

510
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you've got

511
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you know mount rainier you got i mean

512
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kenneth arnold you've you've got um

513
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all those sightings that whole week

514
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,000
maury island from maury island

515
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up until roswell every day of every

516
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newspaper just about on the west coast

517
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,240
had a ufo

518
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:08,160
sighting on the front page

519
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:09,600
so you got to think it's like it's got

520
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,480
to be

521
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whatever it was i'm not saying it's

522
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aliens but whatever it was whatever

523
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,880
kenneth arnold saw whatever crash in

524
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roswell

525
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,919
had to be the same thing like what are

526
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,600
the odds that that week there's all

527
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,360
these sightings and it's a different

528
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,280
thing every time it's got to be the same

529
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,799
object and they were all over the

530
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,000
country too

531
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,080
you know there was even one yeah but but

532
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,960
this area this this area

533
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:34,799
was really really big

534
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,520
really rocking yeah man amazing and then

535
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,360
then you also have um

536
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battle of l.a

537
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right where

538
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,720
right that that object went from la

539
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:47,120
to long beach and then out to the ocean

540
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,919
wow

541
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,720
that's

542
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,360
incredible that even makes more sense

543
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,960
for uh

544
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,200
mason mr david mason

545
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:58,080
for for you to uh you know put in the

546
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,600
the whale songs and all that kind of

547
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,440
stuff too because you know if they are

548
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,600
from the ocean which a lot of people you

549
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:05,760
know speculate that that may be the case

550
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,480
that that could be an even better idea i

551
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,240
did want to ask you like

552
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i noticed i don't want to give too much

553
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,799
away but

554
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,039
in the movie you spoke about um

555
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,360
you know you capturing other types of uh

556
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,720
anomalous uh objects in in the past one

557
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,559
actually reaching minus

558
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,039
80 degrees fahrenheit now how is that

559
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,960
possible

560
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,880
what does that mean

561
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,559
yeah i don't know

562
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,159
there's

563
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,720
i mean i understand the physics of what

564
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,440
what could possibly generate that and

565
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,559
i'm going to give you a little

566
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,720
background about what got me uh doing

567
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,360
thermography in this field we discovered

568
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,480
it was discovered by accident so uh in

569
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,720
my company uh

570
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,559
we have a

571
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:53,360
thermal camera that is i mean and this

572
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,200
was back in 2005 may of 2005 and it was

573
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,240
a 70 000 laboratory standard thermal

574
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:01,919
camera which is done for electronic

575
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,480
engineering and testing and and one day

576
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,240
i decided hey i'm going to take this

577
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,559
thing home and

578
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,720
just look at the sky and i wasn't

579
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,080
thinking ufos or uap i was thinking i

580
00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:16,640
wonder if this may have some capability

581
00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:18,440
of detecting some of the wavelengths in

582
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,640
astrophotography so i could extend my

583
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,000
astrophotography hobby because i'm doing

584
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,280
astronomy and

585
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,440
i thought well this may or may not work

586
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,600
i don't think it will and so i found out

587
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,280
that the wavelengths were being trapped

588
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,880
in the atmosphere so it really wasn't

589
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,799
going to work in that application so

590
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,559
then i thought oh you know i'm out here

591
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,320
this afternoon and i'll point this

592
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,000
camera in the sky

593
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,760
and i've got commercial jets flying

594
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:43,440
overhead and and this ought to look

595
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,450
interesting in the thermal camera and

596
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,559
[Music]

597
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,039
it was just within minutes of just

598
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,960
panning this camera around and looking

599
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,840
at the monitor that two very large

600
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,640
objects appeared in the camera

601
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,720
and i and i looked up straight up and

602
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:01,280
this was blue sky daylight

603
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,720
and i uttered the acronym wtf

604
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,159
and i um

605
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,760
i could not believe what i was seeing

606
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,240
and i i kept tracking it with the camera

607
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,640
i recorded the objects they they

608
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,280
measured about a five degrees apparent

609
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,360
field of view so that's about eight or

610
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,520
ten moons with so you'd really be you

611
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,880
couldn't miss it

612
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,400
and i recorded these objects they didn't

613
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,640
make any sound they moved very slow one

614
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:27,120
was boomerang shaped one was a v shape

615
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,480
nope and no fuselage and when i reviewed

616
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,280
the recording according to the camera's

617
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,400
calibrated temperature span so when when

618
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,400
they auto range they the cameras will

619
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,720
set a temperature parameter based on

620
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,640
it's in measured environment and it's

621
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,240
called a calibrated temperature span

622
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,159
some of these are monochrome some are

623
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,919
color bands that you'll see

624
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,400
and then i compared that objects to or

625
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,919
both objects to the calibrated

626
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,240
temperature span and those particular

627
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,799
objects were minus 30 fahrenheit

628
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,360
and i'm going this doesn't make sense

629
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,919
they're not bird flocks they're not our

630
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,120
aircraft

631
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,120
i can explain the physics as to why they

632
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,440
can't be based on the emissivity of

633
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,360
commercial jets and reflected

634
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:11,520
temperatures and and so forth

635
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,799
and i

636
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,039
it's so if the only explanation if ones

637
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,039
wants to try to make this in order to

638
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,640
get to these temperatures

639
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,799
then the objects have to be indicating

640
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,240
their environment which would mean

641
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,320
extremely high altitudes thirty thousand

642
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,039
feet ninety thousand feet um i did an

643
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,919
analysis along with uh um

644
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,600
uh what was that william puckett from

645
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,000
ufos and w who's a meteorologist he

646
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,480
looked at one of my videos and and then

647
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,000
i scaled the

648
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,679
camera aspect field of view and the

649
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,919
object and doing some trigonometry we

650
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,760
came up with one object that if it was

651
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,640
indicating its environment it was 2200

652
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:48,320
feet across

653
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,480
wow yeah doesn't make any sense and

654
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:53,919
so there's really no

655
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,230
i've got these videos now over the years

656
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,880
i've been collecting since 2005 numerous

657
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,520
flare videos and i didn't just throw

658
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,840
them on youtube because i knew that

659
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,600
you know people are gonna copy and paste

660
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,679
them and at that time sure

661
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,159
some guy went and took all the videos

662
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,480
that were on ufos and some of them you

663
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,320
can actually see them on ufos and w in

664
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,400
their archives and if you look

665
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,080
if you look up i've been posting them a

666
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,159
lot lately on on twitter yeah but these

667
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,760
are these are older videos that that

668
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,480
weren't recorded in 2005. uh on ufos and

669
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,480
w uh there's some videos that were

670
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,440
posted and it's it says bellevue man

671
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:34,640
records

672
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,000
anomalous object at using uh flir and

673
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,960
and so in these he's posted a few videos

674
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,880
so um

675
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,240
i don't know what these things are i

676
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,799
know what they're not uh i know a lot of

677
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,559
people like to throw out oh they're

678
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:49,840
drones or

679
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,120
or conv you know protect things but they

680
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,720
demonstrate they don't understand clear

681
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:57,200
cameras or nor the physics that they're

682
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,720
analyzing and that's one of the real

683
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,799
common problems we have

684
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,559
in these kinds of videos is we have

685
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
people who don't have thermography

686
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,480
training they they don't understand

687
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,559
physics and that's also a problem who of

688
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,919
people who

689
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,640
are

690
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,159
promoting things where they really

691
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,559
haven't done their research on what it

692
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,679
is they're promoting because there's

693
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,600
certainly a lot of hoaxed videos and

694
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,600
things that are explainable

695
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,039
yeah and i mean

696
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,720
i think you said it right i know what

697
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,279
it's not that's kind of our our only

698
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,520
opportunity at this stuff because let's

699
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,120
be frank we don't

700
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,360
you're not gonna know what a ufo looks

701
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,480
like if you've never seen one right so

702
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,159
you can't say oh that's an alien ship

703
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,360
because you don't know what an alien

704
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
ship looks like

705
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,520
i've never recorded anything that looks

706
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,200
like a flying software

707
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,520
not to my knowledge i've recorded

708
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,240
that are cylinders uh v shapes that are

709
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,200
flying backwards solid triangles

710
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,159
um things that have like intricate

711
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,720
patterns in there intricate and most

712
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,600
importantly i've recorded objects in the

713
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:02,080
same proximity of the commercial jet

714
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,120
and

715
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,600
what differentiates it is the camera's

716
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,279
calibrated temperature span will show

717
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,440
that the temp the temperature of the jet

718
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,600
and this is the entire chassis of the

719
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,000
jet is much hotter than the object

720
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
that's following it or in front of it

721
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,440
and wow and

722
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,200
you've got objects with little objects

723
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,400
following them

724
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,640
yeah just strange things and there's

725
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,080
been some other strange things that have

726
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,720
happened while recording um there's been

727
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,960
times where i've got my camera set up

728
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,120
and i spot an object going through two

729
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
different cameras and then i take my

730
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,559
night vision goggles out which are pvs

731
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,880
7d with gen 3 plus

732
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,960
enhanced image intensifiers

733
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,760
and i i point and i don't see

734
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,760
the object that's transitioning across

735
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,039
the field so it's it's wavelengths and

736
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,679
so night vision will uh like image

737
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,080
intensifier night vision will will

738
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:54,799
wavelength terminate at about a thousand

739
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:57,440
nanometer to 1100 nanometer wavelength

740
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,200
and i'm imaging objects that are between

741
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,080
about 13 to 14 000

742
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,320
nanometers which is much much longer

743
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:08,240
wavelength way out of our visible

744
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,360
spectrum

745
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,760
and so for some reason these things are

746
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,640
showing up on my cameras but are not

747
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,880
visible to the human eye north with the

748
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,559
gen 3 night vision

749
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,120
wow that's incredible it makes it more

750
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,440
confusing as well i would imagine it it

751
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,360
makes it very confusing and i and i when

752
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,799
i first started doing the research i

753
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:28,320
thought well i'm going to get to the

754
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,159
bottom of this and yeah just like that

755
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,480
it just got more confusing and and other

756
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,880
things that were noteworthy so in 2005

757
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279
there was a lot of activity 2006 i

758
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,200
noticed a roll-off

759
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,480
and i think it was like 2008 or 2009. i

760
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,240
got nothing i mean i would set up my

761
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,080
cameras and i would get birds bugs and

762
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,679
aircraft all the prosaics and you're

763
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,799
just going

764
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,279
i guess the game's over and

765
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:54,960
there was a few years i didn't use my

766
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,240
cameras and i really um resumed it heavy

767
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,240
again or i should say increase the

768
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,360
activity uh in 2016.

769
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,960
and that's that's where i i started

770
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,720
recording more objects and becoming more

771
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,880
interested and the stigma of this

772
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,200
phenomenon became

773
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,600
less um

774
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,039
i mean people were becoming more

775
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,840
accepting of this phenomenon

776
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,120
um

777
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,279
quick question here are are you

778
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,279
were you doing anything or are you doing

779
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,159
anything to you know um you know like

780
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,080
ce5 for instance or anything like that

781
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,320
or are you just picking somewhere to go

782
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,840
and setting up shop

783
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,640
not not doing any ce5 but i will say

784
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,960
this is what's interesting if i

785
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,200
go with a group of people

786
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,320
and and we're just re we're focused we

787
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,720
want to see objects you know and maybe

788
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,320
it's because we say we want to see them

789
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,840
but i think

790
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,760
the intent but you have to have this you

791
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,320
know the positive intent and and observe

792
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,399
and you'll you'll see some anomalous

793
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,520
objects

794
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,679
now you know i i do things like where i

795
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,559
volunteer um at bellevue college doing

796
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,760
their uh

797
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120
maintaining and operating their

798
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,279
observatory i did a i did a youtube

799
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,120
video where i did a

800
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,360
repair and calibration of it because and

801
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,640
so i work there on an on-call basis and

802
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,080
we also do

803
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,159
public outreach or we'll go out to uh

804
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,919
some of these big astronomy events and

805
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:20,159
one was called the table mountain star

806
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,039
party

807
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,960
famous one and when you'd go there there

808
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,600
would be 600 astronomers and telescopes

809
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,360
in the field all over the place people

810
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,440
traveling all over from the country

811
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,840
and i never heard one person shout out

812
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:34,080
hey look at that it was you know we

813
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,279
reacted

814
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,039
we certainly saw meteorites and

815
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,600
satellites but nobody saw any unusual

816
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:41,200
phenomenon and most of it's because

817
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,000
we're

818
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,440
know everybody's drinking beer that kind

819
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,360
of thing is going on so they're

820
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,279
they're not focused but

821
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,720
and maybe it's just the attention isn't

822
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:52,320
high enough on the sky but i think it

823
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,919
had more to do with if you're if you're

824
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,440
trying to be objective

825
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,440
and just doing i'm gonna look at this

826
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,880
and nothing else maybe you're just

827
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,320
disregarding other things that are

828
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,640
happening around you yeah most likely

829
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,440
i've heard um before when you do look at

830
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,520
this guy this is actually a part of like

831
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,840
a ce5 protocol

832
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,600
um when you

833
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,559
uh

834
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,000
you know look at the sky you're supposed

835
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,760
to kind of look at it like one of those

836
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,159
uh weird objects that uh you're supposed

837
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,840
to unfocus on it

838
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,520
and the image comes on

839
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,840
it comes out to you uh when your eyes

840
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,159
are unfocused and you know i hear it

841
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,919
kind of

842
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,200
you know that's a good way to look at

843
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,480
this guy for for uh objects after you do

844
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,480
like a ce5 type of session so maybe it's

845
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,080
somewhat somewhat similar to that i

846
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,320
guess is what i'm saying but um

847
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,799
i think it might keep in your mind open

848
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,120
uh the possibilities and then maybe you

849
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,600
will see things and i i have seen things

850
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,520
with the naked eye

851
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,320
and

852
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,840
yeah that's that's one thing real quick

853
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,600
i just want to before i forget people

854
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,679
don't know this from the movie but i saw

855
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:56,000
something with the naked eye

856
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,120
um

857
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,039
that's where they hit that

858
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,200
that's why they read the movie are right

859
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,750
so

860
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,519
right before um

861
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,200
well i mean we could talk about the

862
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,960
movie some people might not have seen it

863
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,120
it's not a big deal but right when when

864
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,880
i see first see the object with the

865
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,000
night vision

866
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,760
pop will be like

867
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,200
a minute or two

868
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,360
maybe a little more before that it was

869
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,840
just getting dark and i literally

870
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,480
saw whatever i saw i'm not saying it was

871
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,960
an alien you know like dave was saying

872
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,640
before i don't know what it was i know

873
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,200
what it wasn't you know it wasn't

874
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,039
a plane it wasn't a drone it wasn't a

875
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,080
seagull it wasn't a seagull spy

876
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,480
you know like it wasn't yeah you know i

877
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:41,919
don't know what it was

878
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,799
but whatever whatever it was so before

879
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,440
it got dark i saw it briefly for a

880
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,440
second it was like a white ball and it

881
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,279
wasn't glowing it was it was not

882
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,480
illuminated

883
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,960
and then i lost it and then when it got

884
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,559
dark like

885
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,399
i was i was looking i was on top of the

886
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,399
hotel and i was looking you know off

887
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,760
into the ocean

888
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,519
laguna's in front of me

889
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,320
and there's no lights in the sky i put

890
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:08,399
on the night vision goggles boom boom

891
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,279
boom

892
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,440
there's like three glowing things you

893
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,519
take them off there's nothing there

894
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,240
wow what is that

895
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,240
i don't know what it was that brings me

896
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,640
to shane's question here he asked you

897
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,200
what is the most life shake life shaking

898
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,799
thing you've seen

899
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,080
well

900
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,320
we're talking about like my entire life

901
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,559
or just ufology

902
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,960
because i've seen some scary things

903
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,000
we could say paranormal slash yeah so

904
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:37,840
i think that was it

905
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,720
okay that was it although when i did get

906
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,760
home

907
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,320
about a week later my mom and i

908
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,080
were i was helping her at the back of

909
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,640
her house saw two cigar shapes

910
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,600
that i

911
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,159
don't know what it was i've seen

912
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,120
three things since i've been home

913
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,080
i haven't had anything you know like

914
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,919
dino beavers or anything like that you

915
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,919
know or like dog man nothing no

916
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,080
poltergeist activity but i've seen a

917
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,360
couple things

918
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,960
i don't i don't know man is it a

919
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,320
coincidence

920
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,760
i don't know

921
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,360
well i'm sure you've left me up at the

922
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,200
sky looking for something before no one

923
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,200
oh man everything every time i go out of

924
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,519
the house no matter what i i mean i i

925
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,039
look up because i'm right now i'm in

926
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,679
florida and i'm like 20 miles from cape

927
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,760
i'm right by cape canaveral like i can

928
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,240
go to the front yard during lunches and

929
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,240
watch everything going up

930
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,679
and my house shakes

931
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:31,840
when there's a launch my house shakes

932
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,880
it's crazy so that just makes me think

933
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,559
maybe that's why there's stuff around

934
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,720
here maybe they're checking out

935
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,399
elon you know trying to get a twitter

936
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,480
account verified or something sure like

937
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,679
i don't know spacex keeps going

938
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,559
uh

939
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,760
the in in you know you don't mind me

940
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,279
uh mentioning a couple things that were

941
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,279
in the movie do you not at all please go

942
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,880
for it i haven't been able to talk about

943
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,120
this is the first time i've legally been

944
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,679
able to talk about this for over a year

945
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,200
so let's do it

946
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,159
all right well there is a there is a

947
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,159
really intriguing part of the movie

948
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,240
where it seemed like things were

949
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,960
uh doing what kevin day describes

950
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,320
happening to him

951
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,839
you know when he was serving and things

952
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,639
were

953
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,960
raining out of the sky so to speak and

954
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
going straight into the ocean um

955
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,679
can you tell us a little more about what

956
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,639
happened there and you know

957
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,679
i guess

958
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,040
i mean it seems like it was pretty

959
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,310
i'm sorry is that to me

960
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,839
either either one who everyone's saying

961
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,720
sorry dave go ahead dave okay i got you

962
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,240
i mean

963
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,720
yeah okay so in the movie you'll see uh

964
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,879
there's a scene where there's some

965
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,040
objects that appear to be ascending or

966
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:46,879
descending from the sky and into the

967
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,839
ocean and what was interesting in that

968
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,879
video

969
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,359
is that the persistence of those objects

970
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,200
and this is what qualifies it is

971
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,520
external from the camera and not a

972
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,079
camera artifact the sec the other aspect

973
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,680
is that because it was vertical and not

974
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,240
horizontal it's not a scan line from the

975
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,720
camera i understand that the electronics

976
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,079
within these cameras because i design

977
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,760
electronic circuits that work within

978
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,079
these cameras so i'm not just a guy

979
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,760
talking about cameras sorry kevin dave

980
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:15,680
just called me so i'm calling him back

981
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,400
okay

982
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,400
um so you'll see in the video there's

983
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,480
objects that seem to be dropping down

984
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,069
and we found that there were um

985
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:27,920
variable persistence or i found that

986
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,880
that when the objects descended and if

987
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,720
you take a microbiometer and you put an

988
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,000
object in front of it and you pull it

989
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,480
away you'll have a thermal print on

990
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,640
those micro bolometer cells momentarily

991
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,640
so it gives you a time lag kind of like

992
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,640
a camera exposure

993
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,640
having a motion

994
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,400
and that's that's just what caught my

995
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,560
attention and then we found that slowing

996
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,920
them down we could see that the

997
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,760
persistence indicated it was vertical

998
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,720
drops

999
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:54,960
and since we knew the camera field of

1000
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,040
view we knew the uh objects were

1001
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,359
were dropping downward and the length of

1002
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,640
those frames

1003
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,079
and the persistence in there we were

1004
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,680
able to i was able to make some speed

1005
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,760
calculations based on

1006
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,480
distance to the the ocean front and i

1007
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,800
only had two references i had the the

1008
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,560
lower half of the screen and then the

1009
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,160
the distance string

1010
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,160
and and make some estimations of speed

1011
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,000
and uh um

1012
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,560
a lot and distance of these objects so

1013
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,200
it seemed to parallel that which with uh

1014
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,839
kevin day had been reporting when he was

1015
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,480
seeing objects dropping from the sky

1016
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:33,280
uh using the spy one radar system and

1017
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,079
and

1018
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,920
first time i ever recorded anything like

1019
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,520
that in the camera and it was completely

1020
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,440
unexpected

1021
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,119
that's how it seems to always kind of

1022
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,760
work isn't it now the chat is asking me

1023
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,320
david they want you to promise me that

1024
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,599
you'll get kevin day on the show for us

1025
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,920
yeah for sure okay yeah you got it it's

1026
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,480
recorded all right interesting

1027
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,560
just they didn't really say that but you

1028
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,310
what david what were what were some of

1029
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,280
the uh highlights for you of the movie

1030
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,000
what was your favorite either scene or

1031
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,680
what did you take away from the movie

1032
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:13,839
that that and this is ultimate that will

1033
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,880
uh that'll stay with you you know for uh

1034
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,640
for a while probably i can answer that

1035
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,359
easily probably when chrissy newton came

1036
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,560
to hang out

1037
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,560
okay because that was fun having another

1038
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,359
pair of eyes there and you know like i

1039
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,119
you know i never met her in person we've

1040
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:30,560
always talked on the phone and online

1041
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,800
and stuff sorry my cat's right behind me

1042
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,160
um yeah bumping my head yeah so that was

1043
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:40,560
cool let's be a floating kid

1044
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,480
i i honestly like i've never done so

1045
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:45,920
much work

1046
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:50,079
than working on this movie because

1047
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,160
michael okay so it was me michael hall

1048
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,200
and one camera guy on catalina island

1049
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,359
and all the equipment

1050
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,119
so wow

1051
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,599
we've got all the equip like every every

1052
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,520
piece of equipment almost down to

1053
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,079
batteries that we had was dave mason's

1054
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,599
all of the stuff you know the

1055
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,599
electronics and the night vision and

1056
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,800
then we had

1057
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:15,920
all the camera gear and we're on a roof

1058
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,359
and there's no elevator and michael hall

1059
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,280
can't carry anything

1060
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,040
so we had to carry

1061
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,079
everything me and one guy

1062
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,280
and i mean 13 flights of stairs up and

1063
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:30,560
down because you can't leave anything

1064
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,359
out

1065
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,040
right you know i mean it was and then

1066
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,880
we're up all night i didn't sleep for a

1067
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,839
week

1068
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,000
my my body was like

1069
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,599
dying because i'm i'm not used to

1070
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,160
physical labor i'll admit it you know

1071
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,599
i'm on the internet and on the phone all

1072
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,800
day working i'm not you know

1073
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,640
construction guy or anything it was

1074
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,800
brutal i got home i was sore for like

1075
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,839
weeks

1076
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,280
so it was also great because when

1077
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,040
chrissy came she was able to carry stuff

1078
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,040
so that was awesome

1079
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,200
wait till she hears this i just love

1080
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,710
um

1081
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,079
so

1082
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,160
what what do you see do you see any

1083
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,800
follow-up performances so to speak from

1084
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,480
you mr altman on

1085
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,040
on future uh productions or anything

1086
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,800
like that do you see a future

1087
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,160
uh

1088
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,480
you know investigating more stuff on

1089
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,119
catalina island or around it i would

1090
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,440
personally love to go back

1091
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,240
um while i was there i don't know

1092
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,599
actually you probably do know do you

1093
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,240
know about the giants in catalina island

1094
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:33,280
uh i've i do because of you

1095
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,240
okay

1096
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,520
so that was like my big thing anybody

1097
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,040
that i met on the island that was a

1098
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,280
local my first question was were the

1099
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,640
giants buried where are the giants

1100
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,920
buried you know

1101
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,760
so like we were doing do you remember in

1102
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,280
the movie when we're doing the the

1103
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,960
one-on-one like the guy on the street

1104
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,440
interviews yeah with the random people

1105
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,680
so like every person that came up i'm

1106
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,200
like they're getting ready to do the

1107
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,800
interviews and i'm like so do you know

1108
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,720
about the giants and they're like what

1109
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,880
are you talking about i'm from maine and

1110
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,560
i'm like oh i thought you were a local

1111
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,000
they're like there's giants here and

1112
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,160
aliens you know

1113
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,480
but um yeah so they okay so they told me

1114
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,000
about the giants that a lot of people

1115
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,800
ask me so they i was told that the i'm

1116
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,480
like where are the giants buried i

1117
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,079
finally got an answer from this guy he's

1118
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,480
a lifer born almost born on the island

1119
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,400
older guy he's like

1120
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,400
you cannot dig on this island without

1121
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,560
digging up a bone is that they're

1122
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,800
everywhere they're everywhere buried and

1123
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,520
he said that the highest concentration

1124
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,440
of the burials

1125
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,720
i don't know if you know the island

1126
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,520
layout but like where our hotel was

1127
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,880
sometimes you'll see it when we're

1128
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,880
shooting up on the left it's a big big

1129
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,440
like cylinder building that's the casino

1130
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,440
and he said in the 30s or the 40 i think

1131
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,880
it was just actually the 30s when they

1132
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,880
built it they did construction and they

1133
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,960
had to you know dig up everything that's

1134
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,359
where the mass it was a mass grave he

1135
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,520
told wow his grandfather told them all

1136
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:55,599
these stories yeah i would love i mean

1137
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,119
now that we know what to expect

1138
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,960
i mean if i could go if i could time

1139
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,400
travel obviously

1140
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,800
i wish i would go back not too far i

1141
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,599
would bring i would bring the stuff that

1142
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:09,280
i knew i needed because i you know there

1143
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,480
would be things i needed one like oh i

1144
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,480
wish i had this piece of equipment now i

1145
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,880
know what to bring for next time so i

1146
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,440
can just imagine if we go again what we

1147
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,280
would be able to catch and record

1148
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,040
knowing what i know now

1149
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,200
right it isn't yeah that's a

1150
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,760
that's a great point i mean yeah um how

1151
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,760
many times are you

1152
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,280
you know perfect at something the first

1153
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,040
time you do it everything takes practice

1154
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,680
routine right repetition and

1155
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,040
probably the first thing i'd want to

1156
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,359
bring is more people to carry stuff

1157
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:39,920
yeah hey if if it means i get to go i'll

1158
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,880
be i'll carry stuff yeah for sure

1159
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:44,319
it was a big workout

1160
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,280
also

1161
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,000
there's no cars on catalina island only

1162
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,520
the locals have cars

1163
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,560
so we couldn't even put stuff in a car

1164
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,560
to go everybody's on golf carts you know

1165
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,640
you had to pay like however much money

1166
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,720
to load up the car you know but anyway

1167
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:00,640
i'm done bitching about that so

1168
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,950
yeah as far as what dave altman's

1169
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,280
mentioning i i'm the guy that supplied

1170
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,800
all the equipment you see on both

1171
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,880
rooftops

1172
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:15,760
there's

1173
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,839
system called the ufo dap that's owned

1174
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,240
by carolyn corey she purchased that so

1175
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,319
it could be used in in the science

1176
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,440
discoveries

1177
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,359
and there was one device called the

1178
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,440
cosmic watch which was a radiation

1179
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,440
detector hooked up to a laptop and

1180
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,839
that's owned by matthew um but

1181
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,319
everything else you see on that rooftop

1182
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,880
from all the fake clear thermal cameras

1183
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,200
to all the night vision devices the big

1184
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,920
binoculars it was a big telescope

1185
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,560
my inventions that were arrayed

1186
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,160
i brought all that stuff and yes that

1187
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:50,880
took a long time getting that up set up

1188
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,470
it took me a whole day just to do

1189
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
inventory because you know for insurance

1190
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,240
purposes i had to log every serial

1191
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,319
number of everything in valuations of

1192
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,800
insurance purposes so quite an ordeal to

1193
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:07,920
get everything set uh transported about

1194
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,560
1300 miles to um in a big cargo van man

1195
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,359
so

1196
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,839
every piece of scientific equipment

1197
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,000
mostly by you or

1198
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,800
uh the host or matt

1199
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,599
right

1200
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,079
okay gotcha just making sure so what the

1201
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,700
heck is uapx going to do without you

1202
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,000
[Laughter]

1203
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,920
you don't have to answer that

1204
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,560
but they still got the osiris

1205
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,880
okay gotcha well not to get into that

1206
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:38,240
but yeah that's the first thing i

1207
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,040
thought

1208
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,839
um so what do you still have all that

1209
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,520
equipment and what are your plans i'm

1210
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:45,280
the most important member i've got the

1211
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,480
tech guy

1212
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,720
yeah right wait there was a question

1213
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,119
about yes i do have all the equipment

1214
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,920
yeah at all i own it all and then i have

1215
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,280
possession of it

1216
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,760
so do you have uh more plans to go back

1217
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,839
to the island on your own or other

1218
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,280
future

1219
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,839
i haven't i still have ideas i certainly

1220
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,160
have a future documentation type uh

1221
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,560
things in progress so um okay i can't

1222
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,319
i'm not i'm not allowed to discuss it

1223
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,319
but it it is inside

1224
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,400
oh that's beautiful awesome i can't wait

1225
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,720
to hear more about that um going back

1226
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,240
rewinding a little bit to some of your

1227
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:21,200
films um that you've taken do you plan

1228
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,349
yes there's some point at some point i'm

1229
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
going to be releasing some more with

1230
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:31,119
some analysis behind it because i really

1231
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,800
need to give some good descriptions

1232
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,720
behind each one so that people will have

1233
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,480
a better understanding because of the

1234
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,200
common misconceptions about clear i i

1235
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,800
did a youtube video about the common

1236
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,800
misconceptions i recommend that if

1237
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,240
people just want to glance over that

1238
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,920
they can say oh yeah i didn't know that

1239
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,680
you know because there's there's a lot

1240
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,640
of

1241
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,240
things that have been prep

1242
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,480
perpetuated by hollywood about what

1243
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,079
thermal cameras can do or that or the

1244
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,440
name clear

1245
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,680
is really widely used when there's

1246
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,599
really cheap cam clear cameras and very

1247
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:01,839
expensive cameras right and i i use the

1248
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,359
very expensive ones like fair enough

1249
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,599
here's one that's a real camera you know

1250
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,599
this is not a you know

1251
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,240
if with with this lens set it was over

1252
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,280
fifty thousand dollars wow

1253
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,800
that's the kind of cameras i use and

1254
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,319
that's what you need for this type of

1255
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,920
research you can't you can't do it with

1256
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,079
the cell phone flier or you won't get

1257
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,160
the video quality

1258
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,000
right well i'm

1259
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,599
super grateful someone like yourself has

1260
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,599
taken this seriously and putting in the

1261
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,440
effort to do this because it's long

1262
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,280
overdue and we all know we can only uh

1263
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,960
count on the government so much which

1264
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,359
really is maybe not at all so i

1265
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,760
appreciate i appreciate that that you're

1266
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,240
doing this sort of thing um

1267
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,240
on the video tip is any of the video

1268
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
footage from the

1269
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,440
the movie slash documentary that you

1270
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,839
guys did is any that going to be made um

1271
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:51,359
available to the public at any point do

1272
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:52,400
you know

1273
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,280
yeah

1274
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,200
a lot a lot of sorry real quick right

1275
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,880
right a lot of the night vision stuff

1276
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,040
that you see with the circular yeah i've

1277
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,720
got all that i got all that because it

1278
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,400
was all done on my phone

1279
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,480
well we were just told not to use your

1280
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,990
i had the only way to record the night

1281
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,079
vision through the goggles

1282
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,520
is to take it and hold your phone up uh

1283
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,119
right yeah that's one of them and it's a

1284
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,640
good thing it's a good thing we figured

1285
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,560
that out if we figured that out on the

1286
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,440
island otherwise we had nothing

1287
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,640
wow

1288
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,839
yeah that's that's one of the things i

1289
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,599
need to develop out so we can just do

1290
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,400
quick iphone adaptions or or

1291
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,960
say a gopro camera so we can do videos

1292
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,079
direct

1293
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,920
and i like to use the dual

1294
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,800
uh

1295
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,480
lens type night vision so you get more

1296
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,760
of a stereo

1297
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,720
vision

1298
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,000
of the

1299
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,599
yeah so i i have all that footage on my

1300
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,040
phone still so

1301
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:47,040
you know i'll drop it you know what i

1302
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,920
mean

1303
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,599
and i don't know all the original

1304
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,520
recordings of the

1305
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,599
the fleer data i have the originals the

1306
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,280
other other members have copies of it

1307
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,520
but i've got the original data

1308
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,720
uh well then let me ask you um mr david

1309
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,119
mason um what were

1310
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,800
some of the favorite your favorite

1311
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,839
moments of of the film um that took

1312
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,319
place what's going to stand out to you i

1313
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,240
i think it was some of the discoveries

1314
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,200
that we did in uh the post filming where

1315
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,839
i i we ran across some of the flear and

1316
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,839
we we then did some follow-up on that

1317
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,200
because then we actually could look at

1318
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,960
the data because much of the data that

1319
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,800
was recorded on clear

1320
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,720
it happened when we weren't glancing at

1321
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,319
the cameras

1322
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:30,880
we just we ran eight cameras

1323
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,280
for five days and 24 7 on

1324
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,599
you know all independent recordings and

1325
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,200
then they had to be vetted and you had

1326
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,680
over 600 hours of video that had to be

1327
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,760
examined carefully and

1328
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,920
you can do it either visually or

1329
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,240
using software and and if you tweak the

1330
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,480
software wrong you can miss things or

1331
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,240
get flagging things that aren't aren't

1332
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,559
really anomalous objects i prefer to use

1333
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,319
my own eyes because

1334
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,160
you can catch things the software won't

1335
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,359
catch um and certainly you can write

1336
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,280
discretion on it but that's a more

1337
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,000
tedious process unfortunately

1338
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,920
yeah and it's interesting to compare the

1339
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,839
medium's eyes and cameras when one sees

1340
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,760
something the other doesn't so just

1341
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,760
right yeah and vice versa because

1342
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,520
there's things like there was one event

1343
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,920
that was captured using software and

1344
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,319
this was there's an event you'll see in

1345
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,720
the movie there's an object that appears

1346
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,960
out of nowhere and it's cold

1347
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,520
relative to the background so it's there

1348
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,440
and it's there momentarily and then it's

1349
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,520
gone it's only there for about a second

1350
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,559
or two

1351
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,559
and i analyze the frame rates i'm going

1352
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,800
this is not a camera artifact and the

1353
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,800
fact that it was colder it's not a hot

1354
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,760
pixel and since it's not ccd pixels it's

1355
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,520
micro volometer cells you're not going

1356
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,280
to have those kinds of events

1357
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,000
and that that was picked up by uh

1358
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:51,119
matthew's software for sifting

1359
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,400
um

1360
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:55,040
uh the the videos and and i didn't catch

1361
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,400
that when i was

1362
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,079
looking at it through my eyes you know

1363
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,440
but he caught it with his software

1364
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,800
because it appeared

1365
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
and then he showed that to me and i said

1366
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,400
no this can't be an artifact of the

1367
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,640
camera and so i credit him for finding

1368
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,480
that that particular thing

1369
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,760
fantastic

1370
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,720
um

1371
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,400
last kind of

1372
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,839
i guess

1373
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,480
science uh question would be

1374
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,760
um

1375
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:19,280
at the end

1376
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,839
data everybody's pretty uh you know

1377
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,839
excited about it and we see a cloud with

1378
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,240
some some dots on it and there's some

1379
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,760
holes in the cloud that are apparently

1380
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,599
the size of what the tic-tac was

1381
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,839
reported as oh wait wait let me let me

1382
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,760
get let me say something sure people

1383
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:38,000
don't know this people don't know this

1384
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:39,119
but

1385
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,559
the movie was called a tear in the sky

1386
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,760
before that was discovered wow

1387
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,839
yeah it wasn't like we saw this thing

1388
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,680
and it became a terror in the sky it

1389
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,599
happened the other way around well there

1390
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,200
you go

1391
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,520
how about that for some singles

1392
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,520
it is a tear in the sky but you know but

1393
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,920
it's just cool yeah we had a uh you know

1394
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,520
we had a kind of a session about the

1395
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,680
title and so there was

1396
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,400
suggestions and video of what would the

1397
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,480
title be the movie and that was the

1398
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,319
consensus on it they didn't want to use

1399
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,480
my suggestions so we didn't go with it

1400
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,680
and

1401
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,359
so we went with that one

1402
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,680
okay what was your suggestion

1403
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,480
uh

1404
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,200
i guess i'll say it um

1405
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,559
scientists using cool [\h__\h] discover ufos

1406
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,520
yes

1407
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,440
i thought that would be such a cool

1408
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:30,000
title uh i agree

1409
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,800
but

1410
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,240
for some reason i wanted to call it

1411
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,559
independence day

1412
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:36,400
some reason they said no david that's a

1413
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,760
bad idea and i just thought

1414
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,920
a title people would want to watch

1415
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,119
yeah but

1416
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,280
it's direct straightforward to the point

1417
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,640
what do you want yeah right um

1418
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,400
yeah go ahead go ahead i think you were

1419
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,480
leading into a question about the

1420
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,520
yeah

1421
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,240
so it was called the you decided it was

1422
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,800
uh you were going to call it a wormhole

1423
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,440
although i think you know you you

1424
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,040
you weren't like this is for sure a

1425
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,440
wormhole you you just kind of landed

1426
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,960
something to do with that

1427
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,040
yeah right well how do you feel about

1428
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,640
that do you think that that suits it

1429
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,359
best or are you still kind of um

1430
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,480
so as far as that uh that recording um

1431
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,280
that was not my data that i was managing

1432
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:21,760
i was assigned to handling the fleer

1433
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,040
data and and the spectrum analyzer the

1434
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,280
oscilloscope my inventions

1435
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,839
all that stuff was under mine and i

1436
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,760
i didn't want to try to spread myself

1437
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,760
out over everything so

1438
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,079
uh you know the ufo dap camera was

1439
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,119
managed by the other guys and i i said

1440
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,960
you this is your puppy

1441
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,800
you do your analysis on it i'm gonna

1442
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,559
stay off of it i'm gonna stick with what

1443
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,880
i'm gonna do and okay so i really can't

1444
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,599
give an intelligent answer on

1445
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,119
that particular phenomenon i'm not a

1446
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:52,480
scientist

1447
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,599
yeah so

1448
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,200
because it's not my data and i don't

1449
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,680
have that data in front of me so i can't

1450
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,480
i don't have copies of it so yeah

1451
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,000
and as long as we've got people looking

1452
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,720
at it we're good to go okay

1453
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,480
well i just i just find it very

1454
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,839
interesting like that some of the holes

1455
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,680
in the cloud were the size of a tic tac

1456
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,160
it was raining objects seem to be like

1457
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,920
tic tacs like

1458
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,359
i don't know it's very interesting i

1459
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,680
guess but if um you know you can only

1460
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,760
say so much about about it you know in

1461
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,559
your position so i understand completely

1462
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,800
um we got about we got a few minutes

1463
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,599
left here um i'll ask both of you

1464
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,960
whoever wants to start i guess we could

1465
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:30,960
start with mason go down to aldman but

1466
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,480
um uh what what is your guess on what

1467
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,000
we're dealing with are we dealing with

1468
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,960
atmospheric phenomena intelligent beings

1469
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,559
all the above what's your what's your

1470
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,000
guess

1471
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,000
um the fact that we've had so much

1472
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,359
diverse

1473
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,400
activity spanning many decades you know

1474
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,440
even before the roswell incident

1475
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,000
i'm sure we're dealing with

1476
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,280
both the combination of atmospheric and

1477
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,520
possible intelligent life

1478
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,760
either visiting or present here

1479
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,000
and it's it's a widely dispersed

1480
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:06,160
phenomenon i don't think one explanation

1481
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,119
could make

1482
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:09,119
an explanation for everything

1483
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,160
yeah

1484
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,240
beautiful what about you mr altman

1485
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,520
so

1486
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,359
don't say reptilians

1487
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,559
ditto and i'll add that

1488
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,280
from the research i've done personally

1489
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,800
and the people i've talked to and

1490
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,640
actually being boots on the ground out

1491
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,280
there and actually you know experiencing

1492
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:30,800
something

1493
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,920
i think it's i think whatever it is

1494
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,640
lives out there i think it's underwater

1495
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,720
i don't know where it comes from

1496
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,200
i think that water is

1497
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:44,000
um i did i did so much research also

1498
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,119
into

1499
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,640
the russian

1500
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,720
the um

1501
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,640
they're called croakers and they're you

1502
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,240
that they're usos

1503
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,400
and by listening to their stories and

1504
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,640
you know talking to those people talking

1505
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,200
to paul stonehill who's like the guy who

1506
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,200
writes about that

1507
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,640
it's just there's just so many

1508
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,240
connections and so many similar

1509
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,800
experiences between their subs and the

1510
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,880
stuff that i talk to captains with their

1511
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,599
boats i just it's got to be some type of

1512
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,359
connection something's i think something

1513
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,720
is out there

1514
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,400
i i would agree there's

1515
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,160
and much of the issue here with the

1516
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,520
depths of our oceans is our

1517
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,319
instrumentation is very limited uh you

1518
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,400
can't use flear you and conventional

1519
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,319
cameras because of the attenuation

1520
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,720
factor of the ocean only blue spectrum

1521
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,240
travels a greater distance and that's

1522
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:31,920
why the oceans appear blue

1523
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,960
but we're limited to you know sonar

1524
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,799
pulses and

1525
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,559
that's limited resolution

1526
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,960
um it telegraphs when you're when you're

1527
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
using it if something is trying to hide

1528
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,040
you're you're sending out a signal

1529
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,119
you're not passively receiving so now

1530
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,200
you're you're you're telling whatever it

1531
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,880
is out there we're approaching so they

1532
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,119
can scatter and disappear

1533
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,839
and so the depths of our own

1534
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,280
as they'll say in science you know the

1535
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,000
depths of our oceans are less explored

1536
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,839
than the exploration we've done in outer

1537
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,880
space

1538
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,000
wow

1539
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,839
that's incredible and that seems like

1540
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:07,920
it's the main reason because it's hard

1541
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:11,040
to get technology all the way down there

1542
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,520
to uh proper uh documentation of it yeah

1543
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,599
wow one other thing that the listeners

1544
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,200
that the listeners can check out if they

1545
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,920
get a chance is um there's a transcript

1546
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,760
i actually have the audio someplace but

1547
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,319
there's a transcript that joe mergia has

1548
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,000
it's on one of his sites and it's the

1549
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,480
transcript of kick green

1550
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,440
um

1551
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,640
debriefing a psychic like the strongest

1552
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,839
psychic that they felt was anywhere

1553
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,040
and

1554
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,119
they talk about a very strong catalina

1555
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,319
island

1556
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,160
connection and you just got to list you

1557
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:45,359
got to read it if you can't get the

1558
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,319
audio

1559
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,240
read it and you'll freak out you'll be

1560
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,040
like oh my god grant cameron did this uh

1561
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,079
ce5 session with someone or not ce5 but

1562
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,000
a remote viewing session with somebody

1563
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,440
who

1564
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,079
you know went into finding a base

1565
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,079
under catalina island you know you take

1566
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:04,079
it for what it's worth but there's yeah

1567
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,359
that's what he's talking about he's

1568
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,240
talking about that audio oh he is oh

1569
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,760
okay awesome

1570
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,200
oh that's funny yeah because i actually

1571
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,640
heard the audio a while ago and i've

1572
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,880
been wondering where it was so you can't

1573
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,640
you can't find it on youtube you have to

1574
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,280
get it from somebody okay gotcha it's

1575
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,960
not on the internet

1576
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:22,640
awesome um

1577
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,520
well i guess with uh just uh four

1578
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:27,680
minutes left or so i would say is there

1579
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,160
anything that you would love to to leave

1580
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,760
the audience with whether it be

1581
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,200
something about the movie your future

1582
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,359
plans yourself whatever that is

1583
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,599
um and yeah altman why don't you go

1584
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,440
first

1585
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:42,640
um i guess the one thing is don't let

1586
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,400
the science fiction in the description

1587
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,880
fool you this is not a fiction movie

1588
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,720
i've been getting a lot of grief it says

1589
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,440
science fiction you know well it's got

1590
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,000
william shatner the biggest

1591
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,400
science fiction star of the 20th century

1592
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,280
is in the movie you know and you know

1593
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,319
i'm glad it's in science fiction

1594
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,400
as well as documentary because look at

1595
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,480
the audience that we're reaching

1596
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,920
that are now learning that never would

1597
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,280
have seen this movie if it was only

1598
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,400
under documentary so more power to it

1599
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,880
and i had no control over that

1600
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,559
well and also the the people that are

1601
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,400
going to be most open to

1602
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,559
accepting something completely real and

1603
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,119
unfamiliar to you will probably be

1604
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:27,200
people who are you know

1605
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,240
in this section

1606
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,319
that was for you scott brown you know

1607
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,799
scott brown that's for you

1608
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,720
he's all good all right

1609
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,799
mr mason what about you sir

1610
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,480
well one thing i would want to report is

1611
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:40,559
that we were cognizant that people were

1612
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,599
going to try to locate our filming site

1613
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,319
and possibly try to spoof us with drones

1614
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,799
and what they didn't know is i had the

1615
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,880
technology to identify

1616
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,599
the frequencies of drones and and with

1617
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,400
the spectrum analyzer i had the

1618
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,440
observational equipment i had the the

1619
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,240
binoculars also a night vision device

1620
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,319
that i've invented that will take

1621
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,240
low light from night vision and convert

1622
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,559
that to sound so just about anything

1623
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,240
anybody tried to throw at us if they

1624
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,520
were to try it

1625
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,440
we were cognizant of it and we're going

1626
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,200
to be able to identify it

1627
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,920
not have any issues of being spoofed by

1628
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,760
something that wasn't uh

1629
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,160
out of the ordinary and because i

1630
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,680
totally expected somebody was going to

1631
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,680
try that and try to be a step ahead of

1632
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,440
us

1633
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,880
i mean you don't get to be as smart as

1634
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,240
you are without thinking of stuff like

1635
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,640
that right well that's what i would say

1636
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,160
you kind of know how people think you

1637
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,559
know i i i would probably want to play a

1638
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,400
prank every now and then but you know

1639
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,520
this this

1640
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,440
that was that was one of the issues we

1641
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,040
were concerned about we needed to not

1642
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,119
let any of our really anybody in the

1643
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,839
community know when we were going

1644
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,599
when we were going or where we they

1645
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,960
could have been out there with drones

1646
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,720
trying to you know who knows yeah see

1647
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,920
with their seagulls they could have sent

1648
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,079
their seagull spies out there to like

1649
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,079
spy on us yep

1650
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,920
yep that's the thing happens to me all

1651
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,359
the time

1652
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,559
so i posted pictures just you know i saw

1653
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,799
people there checking me out yep

1654
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,200
so you know but they don't hurt me so

1655
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,119
it's okay it's all good so they're

1656
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,119
harmless

1657
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,559
um

1658
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,559
yeah i just want to thank you again for

1659
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,160
for taking time out of your day to do

1660
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,680
this and sit down with me and do this

1661
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,680
interview i appreciate it i love meeting

1662
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:22,400
you

1663
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:27,119
in person i was long overdue uh altman

1664
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,000
so

1665
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,000
um

1666
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,319
our first interview dude you were our

1667
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,000
number one interview

1668
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,359
yes

1669
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,319
well thank you so much for that honor as

1670
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,799
it truly was so um i guess one more

1671
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:42,960
thing is where can people find you

1672
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,520
online websites anything like that you

1673
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,200
want to share

1674
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,280
i i have a problem with you

1675
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,680
i just have a youtube channel and that's

1676
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,040
that's really it and then i'm on

1677
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,599
facebook and that's just those two sites

1678
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:57,440
okay sounds good

1679
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:01,599
everybody knows where i am from twitter

1680
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,200
ufo twitter what up uh it's davidh

1681
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,599
at david h altman and i'm on facebook

1682
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,799
and instagram same name okay awesome

1683
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,400
well once again thank you so much for

1684
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,920
your time best of luck with other

1685
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,359
interviews that you do in your future

1686
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,119
endeavors and i'm sure we'll talk again

1687
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,040
soon and hopefully we'll bring you back

1688
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,119
here so okay thanks a lot appreciate it

1689
01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:22,960
bye everyone